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c-5050 HELP, I messed up this puppy shot !
Just when I thought I was getting better
This is the situation: ( VERY EMBARRASING )
I am at my friends home ... and I am bragging about how I am getting better at taking pictures with the c-5050.
Well, they have a new puppy ... and want to send a picture Email of it to friends. Simple and fast right ?
So, I get my c-5050 from my car ...
Look at the living room ... Night, not well lit ...a few regular bulb lighting, some recessed flood in ceiling closer to the TV & Kitchen.
Want to make this fast so, I dial it to P mode . Auto , auto w/b , forced flash, flash comp - 1.3 thru -.7 ... took a few at iESP & SPOT
Set to SAT +3 , Sharp +2
so, I could get a file I could give them right out of the camera that would be good enough.
Took maybe 50 shots in all ...
Only 3 shots had just a "ok" focus and not great color
-
in fact I want to trash them all
It was a VERY Humbling experience.
in P mode ... the only thing I adjusted was iESP to Spot ... AND played with the Flash comp.
Right around the 30th shot , the "pressure and expectation" was getting to me ... as well as the Humid Hawaii night
-
by then I was taking MUCH too long on a "puppy shot" and I gave up.
The puppy even got bored!
With the opportunity to WOW my friends gone.
It was a long, lonely walk back to the car with my c-5050 that had let me down.
These are two examples right out of the camera ... there are worse ... but, I deleted them quickly. As I wanted to disassociate myself from them as soon as possible.
-
there is also one crop ... that I practiced my "limited" Elements 2 skills.
PLEASE:
1) WHAT did I do wrong?
2) What should I do the NeXT time? I mean "besides" not bringing my camera.
next two pics ... right out of the camera ... cut to 640x480
next the only good crop ... played with it in elements 2
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Jackeroo • Veteran Member • Posts: 7,141
Hi Geek,
You told the story so funny I couldn't help laughing... LOL ... I can't help you with settings for the 5050 cos I don't have one . Just wanted to say I don't care how many pics you trashed ... the last one there of that beautiful little puppy (Sharpei ?) is just fantastic. Sure you were entitled to more than one good result .. .but look on the positive side .. You really only NEED one ... that's a gorgeous picture. Good luck in the future efforts.
jack
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paul • Regular Member • Posts: 128
Re: c-5050 HELP, I messed up this puppy shot !
Hawaii-geek wrote:
Just when I thought I was getting better
This is the situation: ( VERY EMBARRASING )
I am at my friends home ... and I am bragging about how I am
getting better at taking pictures with the c-5050.Well, they have a new puppy ... and want to send a picture Email of
it to friends. Simple and fast right ?
So, I get my c-5050 from my car ...
Look at the living room ... Night, not well lit ...a few regular
bulb lighting, some recessed flood in ceiling closer to the TV &
Kitchen.Want to make this fast so, I dial it to P mode . Auto , auto w/b ,
forced flash, flash comp - 1.3 thru -.7 ... took a few at iESP &
SPOT
The easy way for you.First take it off +2 S,Use -5 if you have firmware 77,Leave at -1 if you have firmware 78 leave at 0 if you have firmware 79 ,As for saturation leave at 0 or no more than +1 for any firmware,Keep wb at auto and auto flash,Looks like you took a picture in side so don't use 2560x 1696 unless you like grain in your pic,Use either 2560x1920 hq/shq or use 3388x1712 high,This will give you better photos,
Set to SAT +3 , Sharp +2
so, I could get a file I could give them right out of the camera
that would be good enough.Took maybe 50 shots in all ...
Only 3 shots had just a "ok" focus and not great color
in fact I want to trash them all
It was a VERY Humbling experience.
in P mode ... the only thing I adjusted was iESP to Spot ... AND
played with the Flash comp.
Right around the 30th shot , the "pressure and expectation" was
getting to me ... as well as the Humid Hawaii night
by then I was taking MUCH too long on a "puppy shot" and I gave up.
The puppy even got bored!
With the opportunity to WOW my friends gone.
It was a long, lonely walk back to the car with my c-5050 that had
let me down.These are two examples right out of the camera ... there are worse
... but, I deleted them quickly. As I wanted to disassociate myself
from them as soon as possible.
there is also one crop ... that I practiced my "limited"
Elements 2 skills.
PLEASE:
1) WHAT did I do wrong?
2) What should I do the NeXT time? I mean "besides" not bringing
my camera.next two pics ... right out of the camera ... cut to 640x480
next the only good crop ... played with it in elements 2
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paul • Regular Member • Posts: 128
Re: c-5050 HELP, I messed up this puppy shot !
paul wrote:
Hawaii-geek wrote:
Just when I thought I was getting better
This is the situation: ( VERY EMBARRASING )
I am at my friends home ... and I am bragging about how I am
getting better at taking pictures with the c-5050.Well, they have a new puppy ... and want to send a picture Email of
it to friends. Simple and fast right ?
So, I get my c-5050 from my car ...
Look at the living room ... Night, not well lit ...a few regular
bulb lighting, some recessed flood in ceiling closer to the TV &
Kitchen.Want to make this fast so, I dial it to P mode . Auto , auto w/b ,
forced flash, flash comp - 1.3 thru -.7 ... took a few at iESP &
SPOTThe easy way for you.First take it off +2 S,Use -5 if you have
firmware 77,Leave at -1 if you have firmware 78 leave at 0 if you
have firmware 79 ,As for saturation leave at 0 or no more than +1
for any firmware,Keep wb at auto and auto flash,Looks like you took
a picture in side so don't use 2560x 1696 unless you like grain in
your pic,Use either 2560x1920 hq/shq or use 3388x1712 high,This
will give you better photos,also use Aperture setting f 2 to 2.3.CHEERSSet to SAT +3 , Sharp +2
so, I could get a file I could give them right out of the camera
that would be good enough.Took maybe 50 shots in all ...
Only 3 shots had just a "ok" focus and not great color
in fact I want to trash them all
It was a VERY Humbling experience.
in P mode ... the only thing I adjusted was iESP to Spot ... AND
played with the Flash comp.
Right around the 30th shot , the "pressure and expectation" was
getting to me ... as well as the Humid Hawaii night
by then I was taking MUCH too long on a "puppy shot" and I gave up.
The puppy even got bored!
With the opportunity to WOW my friends gone.
It was a long, lonely walk back to the car with my c-5050 that had
let me down.These are two examples right out of the camera ... there are worse
... but, I deleted them quickly. As I wanted to disassociate myself
from them as soon as possible.
there is also one crop ... that I practiced my "limited"
Elements 2 skills.
PLEASE:
1) WHAT did I do wrong?
2) What should I do the NeXT time? I mean "besides" not bringing
my camera.next two pics ... right out of the camera ... cut to 640x480
next the only good crop ... played with it in elements 2
Re: c-5050 HELP, I messed up this puppy shot !
What I can say is:
1. I don't know what the camera is doing in P or Auto mode, so I have never tried it with my almost one year old C-5050 (so far I only used full manual, shutter priority and in most cases aperture priority mode)
2. For shooting indoor with flash, I reduce the bult-in flash intensity to -2.0 (the weakest for a bit fill light only) and at the same time use an external flash unit for bounced and better flash.
3. If it's hard to get the right white balance, I switch to RAW mode instead of JPEG mode
4. I use SPOT metering. Never tried iESP so I don't know how iESP works.
5. I usually set sharpness to -3, contrast to -2 and saturation to +2 and exposure compensation to +0.7, and
6. Most importantly, to avoid out of focus shots under low light, I always use Manual Focus. I know C-5050 has a quite good auto focus but still I could get qute a few out of focus shots under low light (even after I obtain the focus lock). I also use Manual Focus especially when I am shooting a moving kid or animal...
James
Hawaii-geek wrote:
Just when I thought I was getting better
This is the situation: ( VERY EMBARRASING )
I am at my friends home ... and I am bragging about how I am
getting better at taking pictures with the c-5050.Well, they have a new puppy ... and want to send a picture Email of
it to friends. Simple and fast right ?
So, I get my c-5050 from my car ...
Look at the living room ... Night, not well lit ...a few regular
bulb lighting, some recessed flood in ceiling closer to the TV &
Kitchen.Want to make this fast so, I dial it to P mode . Auto , auto w/b ,
forced flash, flash comp - 1.3 thru -.7 ... took a few at iESP &
SPOT
Set to SAT +3 , Sharp +2
so, I could get a file I could give them right out of the camera
that would be good enough.Took maybe 50 shots in all ...
Only 3 shots had just a "ok" focus and not great color
in fact I want to trash them all
It was a VERY Humbling experience.
in P mode ... the only thing I adjusted was iESP to Spot ... AND
played with the Flash comp.
Right around the 30th shot , the "pressure and expectation" was
getting to me ... as well as the Humid Hawaii night
by then I was taking MUCH too long on a "puppy shot" and I gave up.
The puppy even got bored!
With the opportunity to WOW my friends gone.
It was a long, lonely walk back to the car with my c-5050 that had
let me down.These are two examples right out of the camera ... there are worse
... but, I deleted them quickly. As I wanted to disassociate myself
from them as soon as possible.
there is also one crop ... that I practiced my "limited"
Elements 2 skills.
PLEASE:
1) WHAT did I do wrong?
2) What should I do the NeXT time? I mean "besides" not bringing
my camera.next two pics ... right out of the camera ... cut to 640x480
next the only good crop ... played with it in elements 2
Dimitrios • Contributing Member • Posts: 625
Re: c-5050 HELP, I messed up this puppy shot !
Hi Geek,
Mostly agreeing with James, although I would suggest sharpness/contrast/saturation at default levels when you don't want to mess with post processing (post processing can improve a lot, especially with raw but you said you wanted images right out of the camera).
to make it clearer though, here is what I'm doing in those cases (have in mind that I am rather novice in indoors/action photography):
1. Always use manual focus if you want to minimize focus lag and out-of-focus pictures. In AF mode, always prefocus and don't forget to check green led. If it's flashing thn there's no succesful focusing.
2. Don't use the distance dial (manual focus mode), unless you are on full zoom. In any other case it's useless (i.e. images will be out of focus even though you set the correct subject distance). So, better go to autofocus mode and prefocus the subject at the distance you want to take the photo. If green led is continuously lit (do not release shutter button yet), press AF/MF button to lock the focus. Now you are ready to shoot with minimal focus lag.
3. With manual focus, you can use hyperfocal settings but, then, an external flash would be required because of the small apertures.
4. Use iESP when your subject covers most of the frame. Use spot focus otherwise. Have focus assist lamp activated.
5. When incadescent lamp is your only lighting, use manual wb (set it via a grey card or a white paper). Auto white balance or bulb preset cannot handle incadescent light effectively. Use raw mode if you don't mind slow write speeds.
6. Always use a powerful external flash whenever it's possible. I bought a cheap "automatic" manual flash and I never regretted. Flash recharge is way faster and I can use its swiveling head for creating reflected (diffused) light. But its greatest plus for action photos is that I can use very fast shutter speeds together with small apertures. On the contrary, internal flash is limited to 1/30sec sync speed which is worthless for a running and jumping puppy. Not to mention its limited power which forces you to open the aperture, thus reducing the much neeeded depth of field. Look the following images to get an idea of the differences between internal and external flash.
This one is with internal flash:
External flash, 1/400sec
External flash bounced to the roof, 1/500sec
The above photos must not be considered as state of the art, of course. Even the bounced flash photo is underexposed while the 2nd image has strong shadow that could be elliminated by proper flash setup. But I still hope you get an idea of what I wanted to say.
Regards,
--
Dimitrios
Re: c-5050 HELP, I messed up this puppy shot !
The above photos must not be considered as state of the art, of
course. Even the bounced flash photo is underexposed while the 2nd
image has strong shadow that could be elliminated by proper flash
setup. But I still hope you get an idea of what I wanted to say.
Regards,
--
Dimitrios
Dimitrios,
I think you just convinced me to consider saving up for an external flash. Wonderful shots of that Dalmatian! Your other tips will hopefully enable me to get some better indoor photos of my cat and dog. My main problem has been some undesirable effects with the in camera flash on the fur of my animals.
I am not as technically inclined as some who have made suggestions here, so I won't give much input in that regard. However, I do have a little experience training animals, which can come in handy when photographing them. Did you try engaging the puppy's attention through toys, food or tricks that it might know? I started working with my dog when she was about 10 weeks old and she learned fairly quickly. It makes it much easier when trying to get photos if they're a bit more willing to be cooperative.
The younger the puppy, the shorter the attention span ;=)
Good luck ---
Leah
Re: c-5050 HELP, I messed up this puppy shot !
Oopps -- may not have been clear in my previous post, but this part below:
I am not as technically inclined as some who have made suggestions
here, so I won't give much input in that regard. However, I do
have a little experience training animals, which can come in handy
when photographing them. Did you try engaging the puppy's
attention through toys, food or tricks that it might know? I
started working with my dog when she was about 10 weeks old and she
learned fairly quickly. It makes it much easier when trying to get
photos if they're a bit more willing to be cooperative.The younger the puppy, the shorter the attention span ;=)
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Leah
Dimitrios • Contributing Member • Posts: 625
OT: making the dog to co-operate (pics)
Echinacea wrote:
Oh no! I am really interested in dog training (I have given it up in training cats, they are too independent for that). Our dalmatian might be the cutest dog in the world (as anyone can claim that about his own pet :-)) but she isn't always as co-operative as I would like. I have read quite a few books about dog training but the lack of patience from my side and the age of the dog (we got her when she was 12 months old), prevent us from having the best results. Looking forward for your doggie photo gallery (cats are also welcome!). See a few of mine here:
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4086470&a=30578203&f=0
Most off them are candid shots. Only a few were intentionally composed as such. I tried hard to make the composition of the latter to resemble some famous classic paintings (with quite limited success I have to say :-))
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Dimitrios
Re: OT: making the dog to co-operate (pics)
Dimitrios wrote:
Oh no! I am really interested in dog training (I have given it up
in training cats, they are too independent for that).
Funny you should mention that -- I joined a cat clicker list for awhile -- in the attempt to learn how to better train my wild-child Siamese rescue kitten. Training cats is quite a different ball game than dogs -- I had trouble transferring any skills I had learned working with my dogs -- and I consider myself pretty intuitive when it comes to some of it.
Our dalmatian
might be the cutest dog in the world (as anyone can claim that
about his own pet :-)) but she isn't always as co-operative as I
would like.
I don't have personal experience with Dalmatians, but have heard that they are, well, stubborn? ;=)
I have read quite a few books about dog training but
the lack of patience from my side and the age of the dog (we got
her when she was 12 months old), prevent us from having the best
results.
I imagine that would be difficult adopting an older animal. We've gotten our dogs as puppies. One of our cats was adopted around the age of 10 months and yes, he had already developed some bad habits -- some of which I was never able to extinguish. Different breeds of dogs have differing maturity levels -- some seem to retain "puppy like" emotional characteristics longer than others. Ours is an Australian Shep. and at the age of 8 -- she still gets in these moods occasionally where she just acts silly, but I saw a drastic change even from the time she was past the age of about 1.5 years old.
Looking forward for your doggie photo gallery (cats are
also welcome!). See a few of mine here:
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4086470&a=30578203&f=0
Do I need to sign in/register to view a larger picture? I tried various ways to get to them at a larger size without signing in. She does like her tiger, doesn't she?
Leah
Dimitrios • Contributing Member • Posts: 625
Re: OT: making the dog to co-operate (pics)
Echinacea wrote:
I don't have personal experience with Dalmatians, but have heard
that they are, well, stubborn? ;=)
Ours is as such. Mostly outdoors, thanks God, so we don't face a mess when we return from work while she is alone at home.
Different
breeds of dogs have differing maturity levels -- some seem to
retain "puppy like" emotional characteristics longer than others.
I agre, with my little experience. I also suspect that some shocks or bad influences in their childhood might affect their future behaviour, like humans do.
Do I need to sign in/register to view a larger picture? I tried
various ways to get to them at a larger size without signing in.
But you don't. Did you try to get larger than 640-x480? Because this is the maximum size you can get.
She does like her tiger, doesn't she?
Indeed she does. She wants to "kill" it from time to time, you know the way (grabbing from the neck and shaking it to the left and right as most dogs do). She seems so cute and funny to me that I could speak for hours about her (to the extent of becoming totally ridiculous to my friends).
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Dimitrios
OP Hawaii-geek • Veteran Member • Posts: 8,066
Totally a Nightmare !
Jack,
At the TIME ... it was not funny ...
Particularly ... when you are shooting ... 15 shots in a row
-
Like I am a Fashion Photog or something ...
AND THEY ALL COME OUT TOTALY ... OUT OF FOCUS.
-
I was "really" sweating ... on about the 30th shot.
My reputation was on the LINE, I think about the 50th shot.
It was REEEEALY BAD !
-
good thing I had a 1 gig CF and 2200 bat ... IF I ran out of power or Media ..
I think I would have left the house and never come back.
I REALLY did not get WHY ... I could NOT shoot in AUTO in that light.
It reminded me of something in the movies ... staring MR BEAN
Jackeroo wrote:
You told the story so funny I couldn't help laughing... LOL ... I
can't help you with settings for the 5050 cos I don't have one .
Just wanted to say I don't care how many pics you trashed ... the
last one there of that beautiful little puppy (Sharpei ?) is just
fantastic. Sure you were entitled to more than one good result ..
.but look on the positive side .. You really only NEED one ...
that's a gorgeous picture. Good luck in the future efforts.jack
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OP Hawaii-geek • Veteran Member • Posts: 8,066
After 30 unfocused AUTO ... I was scared to try Aperture Priority
James,
Thank you for the ADVICE.
Below some Questions ... please
James_With_Olympus_C-5050 wrote:
What I can say is:
1. I don't know what the camera is doing in P or Auto mode, so I
have never tried it with my almost one year old C-5050 (so far I
only used full manual, shutter priority and in most cases aperture
priority mode)
In the haze of "pressure" I did think about switching to Aperture Priority ... but, by then it was 30 shots latter and everyone was bored.
-
It was a "fashion shoot" the first 15 shots ... then, downhill from there.
-
WHAT, is your FAVOITE settings for NIGHT/indoor ...
Out of the Camera Flash.
Situations like these ... I am "armed" only with camera ... and the few skills I have built up over 30 days
2. For shooting indoor with flash, I reduce the bult-in flash
intensity to -2.0 (the weakest for a bit fill light only) and at
the same time use an external flash unit for bounced and better
flash.3. If it's hard to get the right white balance, I switch to RAW
mode instead of JPEG mode
RAW
I SHOULD have done THAT !
and brought it home ... that way NO-one knows .. that 49 of the 50 shots where BAD.
4. I use SPOT metering. Never tried iESP so I don't know how iESP
works.5. I usually set sharpness to -3, contrast to -2 and saturation to
+2 and exposure compensation to +0.7, and6. Most importantly, to avoid out of focus shots under low light, I
always use Manual Focus. I know C-5050 has a quite good auto focus
but still I could get qute a few out of focus shots under low light
(even after I obtain the focus lock). I also use Manual Focus
especially when I am shooting a moving kid or animal...James
I actually do use MANUAL FOCUS .. for Product SUPER MACRO shots.
but, sitting in a OFFICE with a shooting table & tripod ... by yourself ...
sipping Starbucks.
Taking pics of non-moving product.
is a different situation ...
from trying to IMPRESS your FRIENDS.
With a totally un-simpathetic puppy ... bent on destrying my confidence.
Even in the 1 good pic .. I think the dog was smirking at me !
And he was totally bored by then ...
It was like ... "What-EVER"
He "knew" ... he got me
Just wait still I "catch" that dog sleeping
Theeen we will seeeee
I will "crop" that dogs head on a body of a poodle !
And send it to "Doggie-Style" Mag !
Hawaii-geek wrote:
Just when I thought I was getting better
This is the situation: ( VERY EMBARRASING )
I am at my friends home ... and I am bragging about how I am
getting better at taking pictures with the c-5050.Well, they have a new puppy ... and want to send a picture Email of
it to friends. Simple and fast right ?
So, I get my c-5050 from my car ...
Look at the living room ... Night, not well lit ...a few regular
bulb lighting, some recessed flood in ceiling closer to the TV &
Kitchen.Want to make this fast so, I dial it to P mode . Auto , auto w/b ,
forced flash, flash comp - 1.3 thru -.7 ... took a few at iESP &
SPOT
Set to SAT +3 , Sharp +2
so, I could get a file I could give them right out of the camera
that would be good enough.Took maybe 50 shots in all ...
Only 3 shots had just a "ok" focus and not great color
in fact I want to trash them all
It was a VERY Humbling experience.
in P mode ... the only thing I adjusted was iESP to Spot ... AND
played with the Flash comp.
Right around the 30th shot , the "pressure and expectation" was
getting to me ... as well as the Humid Hawaii night
by then I was taking MUCH too long on a "puppy shot" and I gave up.
The puppy even got bored!
With the opportunity to WOW my friends gone.
It was a long, lonely walk back to the car with my c-5050 that had
let me down.These are two examples right out of the camera ... there are worse
... but, I deleted them quickly. As I wanted to disassociate myself
from them as soon as possible.
there is also one crop ... that I practiced my "limited"
Elements 2 skills.
PLEASE:
1) WHAT did I do wrong?
2) What should I do the NeXT time? I mean "besides" not bringing
my camera.next two pics ... right out of the camera ... cut to 640x480
next the only good crop ... played with it in elements 2
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New to Photography ... I need a lot of HELP!
but, learning quickly by reading this forum.
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iamphil • Senior Member • Posts: 2,077
Re: After 30 unfocused AUTO ... I was scared to try Aperture Priority
If you stop the aperture down, you can pretty much forget about using the internal flash at all but the closest distances (too close for these types of photos imo). It is simply just not powerful enough to light up things at even f/5.6.
Hawaii-geek wrote:
In the haze of "pressure" I did think about switching to
Aperture Priority ... but, by then it was 30 shots latter and
everyone was bored.
It was a "fashion shoot" the first 15 shots ... then, downhill
from there.
WHAT, is your FAVOITE settings for NIGHT/indoor ...
Out of the Camera Flash.
Situations like these ... I am "armed" only with camera ... and the
few skills I have built up over 30 days
OP Hawaii-geek • Veteran Member • Posts: 8,066
Pic worth a THOUSAND! GREAT TIPS ... now I need to SHOP for flash!
Dimitrios,
GREAT PICTURE EXAMPLE ! ... I get it ! ... I get it !
-
The FIRST pic was EXACTLY what I was getting ONLY that mine was WORSE.
Now, I need to buy a FLASH !
-
What is the BEST External Flash for the CASH !
THAT "sounds" like a NEW Thread ...
1) FIRST QUESTION I NEED TO ASK ...
I see your shutter ...
How did you ARRIVE at that NUMBER ?
Where you shooting in SHUTTER PRIORITY ?
OR AUTO ?
2) What type of Flash did you buy & where ?
BUT, more IMPORTANTLY ... IF, you could do it again.
Which Flash would you NOW BUY ???
-
below is more questions ... sorry
Dimitrios wrote:
Hi Geek,
Mostly agreeing with James, although I would suggest
sharpness/contrast/saturation at default levels when you don't want
to mess with post processing (post processing can improve a lot,
especially with raw but you said you wanted images right out of the
camera).
to make it clearer though, here is what I'm doing in those cases
(have in mind that I am rather novice in indoors/action
photography):
1. Always use manual focus if you want to minimize focus lag and
out-of-focus pictures. In AF mode, always prefocus and don't forget
to check green led. If it's flashing thn there's no succesful
focusing.
2. Don't use the distance dial (manual focus mode), unless you are
on full zoom. In any other case it's useless (i.e. images will be
out of focus even though you set the correct subject distance). So,
better go to autofocus mode and prefocus the subject at the
distance you want to take the photo. If green led is continuously
lit (do not release shutter button yet), press AF/MF button to
lock the focus. Now you are ready to shoot with minimal focus lag.
-
WOW, that's a TIP ... and I read the
Short Course Book on the C-5050
The TIP was there ... but, NOT the IMPORTANCE and the Practical
USE of the TIP.
I am Beginning to apreciate ALL the Features of the c-5050 that I "thought" I would Never use.
3. With manual focus, you can use hyperfocal settings but, then, an
external flash would be required because of the small apertures.
-
Hyperfocal settings ? What is that?
AND more importantly ... How do I DO it?
Sorry, have no clue.
Is that something to do with getting the Maximum DOF ?
I did a search of the word on the c-5050 Book CD.
4. Use iESP when your subject covers most of the frame. Use spot
focus otherwise. Have focus assist lamp activated.
-
That night I had focus asst activated and SPOT.
But, I did START wih iESP .. what a mistake.
When you start with a mistake it goes from BAD to WORSE.
5. When incadescent lamp is your only lighting, use manual wb (set
it via a grey card or a white paper). Auto white balance or bulb
preset cannot handle incadescent light effectively. Use raw mode if
you don't mind slow write speeds.
-
Good tip ... I do that in a "controlled" shoot ... but, at a friends home .. can you "imagine" doing that ... and then "screwing" up the shot!
I would be "water cooler" gossip for the next month.
I think I need to "remember" to shoot in RAW more often.
And I don't mean "naked".
Anyone that experienced what I did on that puppy shot ...
knows what I am refering to.
6. Always use a powerful external flash whenever it's possible. I
bought a cheap "automatic" manual flash and I never regretted.
Flash recharge is way faster and I can use its swiveling head for
creating reflected (diffused) light. But its greatest plus for
action photos is that I can use very fast shutter speeds together
with small apertures. On the contrary, internal flash is limited to
1/30sec sync speed which is worthless for a running and jumping
puppy. Not to mention its limited power which forces you to open
the aperture, thus reducing the much neeeded depth of field. Look
the following images to get an idea of the differences between
internal and external flash.
Mahalo ... OK, I WILL buy a External FLASH NEXT WEEK.
I HAVE been told this before ... but, NOOOO did I listen
Your pictures "really" tell the story. And that FIRST pic was "scary" how close it got to what I was getting.
I got a "nervious" flash back just looking at it !
I can just IMAGINE that Puppy "taunting" me ... giving me that
NO WAY you can do this LOOK.
OK, say I have a FL-40 ( I'm just "saying" ... what if )
Now, what do I do ?
Can I THEN shoot FULL AUTO .. and get picture three(3) with the colors of pic 2 ???
IF, so ... that puppy's history !
This one is with internal flash:
External flash, 1/400sec
External flash bounced to the roof, 1/500sec
The above photos must not be considered as state of the art, of
course. Even the bounced flash photo is underexposed while the 2nd
image has strong shadow that could be elliminated by proper flash
setup. But I still hope you get an idea of what I wanted to say.
Regards,
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Re: c-5050 HELP, I messed up this puppy shot !
Leah,
Thank you for the TIP.
I think a few days with that PUP
and my Floor standing lights ... I could have got a "few" decent shots.
But, it would have ended up like a police interagation!
I will tell you one thing ... that puppy would have CONFESSED !
Did you try engaging the puppy's
attention through toys, food or tricks that it might know? I
started working with my dog when she was about 10 weeks old and she
learned fairly quickly. It makes it much easier when trying to get
photos if they're a bit more willing to be cooperative.The younger the puppy, the shorter the attention span ;=)
Good luck ---
Leah
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Re: After 30 unfocused AUTO ... I was scared to try Aperture Priority
Antangonist,
Thank you ... I guess I am on the hunt for a External Flash
The Antagonist wrote:
If you stop the aperture down, you can pretty much forget about
using the internal flash at all but the closest distances (too
close for these types of photos imo). It is simply just not
powerful enough to light up things at even f/5.6.Hawaii-geek wrote:
In the haze of "pressure" I did think about switching to
Aperture Priority ... but, by then it was 30 shots latter and
everyone was bored.
It was a "fashion shoot" the first 15 shots ... then, downhill
from there.
WHAT, is your FAVOITE settings for NIGHT/indoor ...
Out of the Camera Flash.
Situations like these ... I am "armed" only with camera ... and the
few skills I have built up over 30 days
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Re: c-5050 HELP, I messed up this puppy shot !
I don't have the 5050 anymore so I cannot give any specific detail, but as with the others have suggested, -1 or 2 Sharpness is a good idea. The AF ability of 5050 is indeed a little unreliable under low light condition, so you might consider to gather as much as light as you could. For instance, you might move a few floor lamps from other room just to light the puppy so the AF will work. You don't have to light the whole room. Fortunately, the beauty of digital is that you can set the WB so the reult will look nature with whatever lights you use. So set the WB as soon as the light is set, and use spot AF only. The next thing I would do is to set the camera on tripod (ballhead prefer) because the shutter is going to be slow (unless you can do off-camera bounce flash). You don't need to lock the tripod head everytime, just use it as a support and keep you hand steadily. Avoid any action shots because you simply cannot afford it. Just ask someone to play with the puppy or give her some treats so it won't get too bored. Stay close with her and try some close up shots from above, eye-level and on the floor with wide angle horizontally. Approach her with her height, not yours. Then you might use tele to shoot from slightly above angle using the same technique, try vertical shots at 45 degree. So long as you manage to light the puppy well enough (but not too bright or hot) and using a tripiod, you should see much better result. Also, always focus on her closest eye using wide open, unless the room is bright enough to allow fast enough shutter speed. If the puppy stays pretty still, 1/4s is pretty ok. You might use ISO200, but I would avoid ISO400 which has too much noise. If you have found indoor lighting is impossible, try outdoor next time with overcast sky, not direct sunlight. Good luck & have fun.
Hawaii-geek wrote:
1) WHAT did I do wrong?
2) What should I do the NeXT time? I mean "besides" not bringing
my camera.
Re: Pic worth a THOUSAND! GREAT TIPS ... now I need to SHOP for flash!
Hawaii-geek wrote:
Dimitrios,
GREAT PICTURE EXAMPLE ! ... I get it ! ... I get it !
The FIRST pic was EXACTLY what I was getting ONLY that mine was
WORSE.
Now, I need to buy a FLASH !
What is the BEST External Flash for the CASH !
THAT "sounds" like a NEW Thread ...
I use a Sunpak 383 Super flash that's about as powerful as the Olympus FL-40 but is a lot cheaper (should be around $80 I'd say). It features bounce/swivel head, 3 f/stop auto ranges, manual control with power ratio from full to 1/16, exposure OK lamp and Guide No. 120
Another similar flash unit would be Vivitar 285HV
However these non Olympus-dedicated flash units do not have TTL exposure control. So it you don't want to worry about how to manually set the flash setting, then consider the Olympus FL-40 or Promaster 5750DX flash (with its Olympus flash adapter).
Michael Meissner who visits this Olympus Talk Forum regularly has possibly the best Olympus flash FAQ webpage at:
http://www.the-meissners.org/olympus-flash.html
James
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Promaster 5750DX(with its Olympus flash adapter) TTL w/ a f828?
James,
Mahalo for ALL the HELP.
I guess it's obvious I need it.
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On the Promaster 5750DX(with its Olympus flash adapter).
Does that MEAN ... I would ALSO be able to use THIS flash with
OTHER CAMERAS ???
Say, a SONY f828 ? with just another flash adapter
However these non Olympus-dedicated flash units do not have TTL
exposure control. So it you don't want to worry about how to
manually set the flash setting, then consider the Olympus FL-40 or
Promaster 5750DX flash (with its Olympus flash adapter).
James
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